tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post3451801125315092395..comments2023-08-18T07:22:35.961-04:00Comments on Dave in Fla's Poll Analysis: Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12963425555761631341noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-86475163050511218562012-11-09T09:23:59.489-05:002012-11-09T09:23:59.489-05:00National Republicans never seem willing to fight f...National Republicans never seem willing to fight for much of anything, even their own political careers. (shrug) Damned if I know why (well, for one thing, we keep nominating weak candidates), but they never seem to care enough to stand up and say, "No! Enough! This will not stand!" Until the GOP finds some folks who will do that, to provide some real leadership, the Dems will keep right on doing this over and over and over again. Look at what West is doing in Florida...he demanded a recount, and it looks like he will end up winning now. I have no idea why Romney (and Mia Love in Utah which looks even more suspicious) aren't doing the same. I assume at least part of it is the "for the good of the nation" nonsense, but how can it be for the "good of the nation" long term to let one political party keep cheating its ass off in every single election? I don't see how it can be, but then I'm not one of the "geniuses" running the GOP either.davidinvirginiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529141076962065855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-42311419630157660602012-11-09T06:36:37.891-05:002012-11-09T06:36:37.891-05:00I believe Obama stole the election. I am glad to s...I believe Obama stole the election. I am glad to see you doing this investigation. But what I am wondering is, if there is a legitimate question, then where is the Romney campaign and a team of lawyers? He spent so much money to get to the nomination and now he wants to throw in the towel? <br /><br />Why can't WE THE PEOPLE demand verification of votes? <br /><br />We can't afford a war of words here. If it turns out there was fraud and Romney really won, we can't let Obama get away with it this time. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-54623813625597984872012-11-08T22:14:50.293-05:002012-11-08T22:14:50.293-05:00The candidate himself wouldn't have to be in o...The candidate himself wouldn't have to be in on anything. Not even a Plouffe or Axlerod. No one said this would have to have been done by Obama's closest people. <br /><br />They didn't expect their turnout to be greater than Mitt's and Mitt didn't expect the low turnout.<br /><br />My question would be why didn't Obama expect his machine would beat Mitt's. They saw the discrepancy, yet you are so right that Obama looked to be the defeated candidate. CBS has a story up that Romney is "shellshocked" as he went to bed Monday night believing they really would win.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-58878526906497286822012-11-08T20:05:10.834-05:002012-11-08T20:05:10.834-05:00If by "stolen" you mean perverted by the...If by "stolen" you mean perverted by the votes of millions of aliens on the dole that received instant uncontested US citizenship, yes, it was stolen. If by stolen you mean perverted by voting dead people, voting illegal aliens, and multiple voters, yes it was stolen. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-72494965301946875282012-11-08T19:57:18.251-05:002012-11-08T19:57:18.251-05:00Here's a link - stolen from Instapundit - on t...Here's a link - stolen from Instapundit - on the many problems with electronic voting machines...and the general, all-around mess that voting is in the USA:<br /><br />http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how-to/computer-security/why-dont-we-have-foolproof-voting-machines-yet-14501027?click=pm_newsdavidinvirginiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529141076962065855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-53145727545008776292012-11-08T19:54:04.703-05:002012-11-08T19:54:04.703-05:00On the day before the voting, if you recall, Obama...On the day before the voting, if you recall, Obama looked for all the world like a guy who knew he was going to lose, too. It wasn't just his followers.<br /><br />To be sure, the GOP needs to fix a whole bunch of things, whether something was funny with the voting machines or not.davidinvirginiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529141076962065855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-69587075025759265682012-11-08T19:52:07.539-05:002012-11-08T19:52:07.539-05:00Not that I saw anywhere, no.Not that I saw anywhere, no.davidinvirginiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529141076962065855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-91406157221482770882012-11-08T19:50:53.489-05:002012-11-08T19:50:53.489-05:00Case in point, one guy who is actually fighting ba...Case in point, one guy who is actually fighting back...West down in Florida...got a recount and it's now looking like he might end up having won. For whatever reasons, a lot of GOP candidates seem unwilling to fight for votes like that.davidinvirginiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529141076962065855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-33955541676718521072012-11-08T19:49:47.560-05:002012-11-08T19:49:47.560-05:00Well, I've never understood it either. Why did...Well, I've never understood it either. Why didn't Nixon fight like hell in 1960 when he and his team were certain that the Dems stole that election in Chicago and Texas? (shrug)davidinvirginiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15529141076962065855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-13658470366624184902012-11-08T18:36:11.790-05:002012-11-08T18:36:11.790-05:00What is just absolutely heartbreaking is, the poll...What is just absolutely heartbreaking is, the polls and Nate Silvers of the world were right but for the WRONG reasons. None of them actually thought Republican turnout would be less than the disaster that occurred in 2008. Obama performed terribly, it's just that we were worse.<br /><br />You could also tell (at least in my eyes) Republicans thought they were going to do well and Democrats were terrified.<br /><br />But about the whole vote stealing, this would have to basically have to be a 50 state conspiracy, turnout was down everywhere. No one is questioning whether the Left would steal an election if they could. Of course they would, what I'm questioning is, that seems to me to be too big of a conspiracy with tens of thousands of people involved. Especially considering many states are completely controlled by Republicans from the top down. And then there's the fact Republicans actually picked up House seats.<br /><br />Regardless, I think it's worth exploring, let's just keep a healthy perspective. I remember being glad Democrats though voting machines were why they lost in 2004 instead of actually figuring out real solutions, supposedly even Kerry bought into the idea.<br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01373921544321924125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-57357543961750153052012-11-08T16:57:53.511-05:002012-11-08T16:57:53.511-05:00Romney GOTV was an unmitigated disaster. Project ...Romney GOTV was an unmitigated disaster. Project freaking ORCA was a sick and pathetic joke.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-64161198043606315662012-11-08T16:56:42.570-05:002012-11-08T16:56:42.570-05:00Hey, Bill, no offense taken. Who could take offen...Hey, Bill, no offense taken. Who could take offense at being told they don't know what they're talking about. There are still votes coming in to the total. Yes, it is WAY down from 2008, an historically high turnout election. I'm stunned by the dropoff, particularly in G0P votes. But I need to see more than that before I am willing to believe a stolen election conspiracy like this.<br /><br />We have known for at least a year now that 0bama was going to get fewer votes than his first term. He royally sucked. He deserved 0 votes. But that doesn't prove fraud. It proves idiocy on the part of the American people, and 10 million fewer idiots than 2008. But not a stolen election.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-86551714565065621132012-11-08T16:13:03.233-05:002012-11-08T16:13:03.233-05:00I live in NYC and you better believe that I and ev...I live in NYC and you better believe that I and everyone I know who voted McCain-Palin in '08 were itching to vote for Mitt-Ryan, especially this time around. We even thought that Hurricane Sandy might depress the supposedly unenthused Dem vote and we might even sneak Wendy Long into the Senate. <br /><br />Bottom line is, judging from me, Republican voters in heavily blue states would have been totally stoked to vote, despite where they lived. <br /><br />The numbers and all the anecdotal stuff pre-election do not add up.<br /><br />"J.J. Sefton"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-48445023800967932582012-11-08T15:29:00.834-05:002012-11-08T15:29:00.834-05:002 Anonymous @ November 8, 2012 3:08 PM:
from what ...2 Anonymous @ November 8, 2012 3:08 PM:<br />from what I understand, absentee and provisional ballots are not yet included in these vote totals, since they are labeled as 'outstanding' on turnout report page here (either that or my English fails me):<br />http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/enrpublic/f?p=212:52:0::NO:::<br />Lurker from Russianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-37443912876848174862012-11-08T15:20:47.471-05:002012-11-08T15:20:47.471-05:00Two more things though:
(1) Total voter turnout: ...Two more things though:<br /><br />(1) Total voter turnout: 5,431,309, total votes cast for president: 5,364,303 - does it mean that 67006 voters (1,23%) didn't cast a ballot for president? Is that number more/less than usual?<br /><br />(2) There's still over 300K outstanding provisional and absentee ballots.Lurker from Russianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-59961842022860859982012-11-08T15:08:38.324-05:002012-11-08T15:08:38.324-05:00Do your vote totals include all votes? That would...Do your vote totals include all votes? That would be EV, absentee, and day of election votes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-73883136327357955632012-11-08T15:03:40.032-05:002012-11-08T15:03:40.032-05:00KingCranium, you make some good points, and I too ...KingCranium, you make some good points, and I too have read on blogs like Red State, how superior a GOTV org Obama had to Romney's. Those points are well-taken.<br /><br />But, you know what? The most important get out the vote stimulator is 1) intense dislike for the incumbant and 2) a belief your candidate is a good one--and this sentiment grew and grew and grew with GOPers and 3) a belief the election is close and if you vote for your candidate, you can win and 4) crowd surge and pictures of that surge and enthusiasm for the guy you prefer.<br /><br />All of those 4 things were in play, esp, in the battlegrounds. Sometimes you have to simply apply what your eyes and ears tell you and believe what you see and hear until you have logical data that disproves what you have seen and heard. <br /><br />That Romney lost is not what defies the eyes and ears. The turnout does. After all votes are tallied (yes, it often takes weeks for a final count, but usually pollsters can look at the early totals and tell if turnout has been up, down, or relatively equal to the previous election) we'll see the final numbers, but in listening to Barone just yesterday, while he gave an explanation of why he was wrong in his projections, I could tell the guy was still very stumped. He's not a partisan hack; he's a pro, and he can't stand to not understand the numbers. <br /><br />At this point, all this is conjecture, but it's worthwhile conjecture because people who are looking into the numbers will either see an explanation ....or they won't.<br /><br />You know, maybe some of you aren't people who live in corrupt areas where vote fraud goes on all_the_time. Nixon won Illinois in reality; Kennedy became President when Daly and Papa Kennedy held their numbers until the rest of Illinois showed a Nixon victory. Even Beckel, the ass on Fox, and that is what he is (I get sick of people, even those with whom he works, acting like he's a lovable idiot--he's a cheater, a thug), has vitually admitted to holding out counties until other counties came in to see how many votes needed to show up, and this was in the day when there weren't electronic means of cheating. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-58576735946074807732012-11-08T14:54:11.160-05:002012-11-08T14:54:11.160-05:00All 2008 results by county at the bottom of the pa...All 2008 results by county at the bottom of the page here:<br />http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/<br />eg. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2008/counties.xlsDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-15247259087024821742012-11-08T14:48:31.910-05:002012-11-08T14:48:31.910-05:00My point is this.
Did even a single computer mode...My point is this.<br /><br />Did even a single computer model predict RECORD LOW REPUBLICAN TURNOUT?Bill Mitchellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-27868760717874630792012-11-08T14:46:05.337-05:002012-11-08T14:46:05.337-05:00Unknown....wow, beg to differ. Since the debate, ...Unknown....wow, beg to differ. Since the debate, I knew no one who thought it was hopeless. Even here in CA my Dem friends were afraid Romney was going to pull it out. They saw the Gallup numbers that week before Sandy hit and man, they were convinced Obama was losing. So, out here in CA, if they were worried, how could GOPers feel it was hopeless. YOu have some mighty low-info friends, it would seem, if they actually sat it out. People who post on blogs like this are rarely going to be people who sit out an election or have friends who are going to sit out an election. And weren't there other ballot measures or races they cared about. I don't take you seriously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-72322463862832693842012-11-08T14:45:00.710-05:002012-11-08T14:45:00.710-05:00Made a public spreadsheet for Ohio votes in 2012 a...Made a public spreadsheet for Ohio votes in 2012 and 2008 by counties:<br />https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvOVqZcOv-MvdElOSXFQdWliallJalozVG9CbGdCVUE<br />(data from Ohio SoS site)<br /><br />Votes were down in almost every county for both candidates compared to 2008. Obama lost 248,183 votes vs 2008, Romney down 93,200 vs McCain, and yet Obama got 107,241 votes more than Romney.<br /><br />It's not impossible to 'lose' a few paper ballots here and there, but it takes a coordinated effort to do it on a state-wide scale.<br /><br />Still, that's only part of the story. Is there any data available from campaign officials working at the polls, so that we could compare turnout county by county?Lurker from Russianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-15318961544118369442012-11-08T14:41:33.205-05:002012-11-08T14:41:33.205-05:00The thing that gets me is McCain hardly had a GOTV...The thing that gets me is McCain hardly had a GOTV effort, as I recall reading. He had virtually no org, while Romney, although it comes in for criticism, had a better one than McCain. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-88574096360761957222012-11-08T14:37:29.651-05:002012-11-08T14:37:29.651-05:00You wouldn't "steal the whole enchilada&q...You wouldn't "steal the whole enchilada" because 1) you don't work for those others and 2) the most important reason, you would be sending a huge red flag up the flag pole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-13170722489203047102012-11-08T14:32:22.280-05:002012-11-08T14:32:22.280-05:00Who would be the ones to do this? Would it have t...Who would be the ones to do this? Would it have to started by the Secretaries of State? Whom would they call to check such things. Would the software be that used in several states?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6922495112008511600.post-28011658075506158832012-11-08T14:29:58.326-05:002012-11-08T14:29:58.326-05:00It would be too early to say anything. There woul...It would be too early to say anything. There would have to be extensive analyses. I am sure a guy like Barone is pouring throught things, if only to find out why he was so off.<br /><br />Now, I am also sure he knows of all the anecdotal evidence of turn out in battleground states. He may try to find some kind of equation that explains the loss of "Romney" votes in each of those state. <br /><br />I am also sure the internal pollster for Romney are doing something to try to find the missing votes. After all, their business depends on their having done a decent job. You can't simply go in front of cameras a day or two after an election like this and claim, without the country going into the streetsm "Hey, there may be as many as 2 million Romney votes missing."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com